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foreign

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to people you know I wrote to people

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like General Neil mccasland and um I

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sent letters saying you know he I'm a

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journalist I'm investigating this issue

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by the way Neil McCaslin did not respond

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to my letter

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but a lot did and I was amazed because I

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gave my encrypted messaging systems

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signal Telegram

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proton male which by the way you can

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find on my Twitter handle

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and uh I invited people to contact me

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and

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about a month or so after I'd sent off

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these letters I started getting really

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interesting calls and and messages from

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people who were

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telling me

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eventually that they were involved in

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what some called the program and uh

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essentially it was an attempt to back

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engineer

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recovered

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non-human technology

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craft

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and I look I cheerfully admit the first

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couple of times that I was told about

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this I I treated it as a bit of a joke I

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I laughed I thought this is wacky stuff

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somebody's deliberately sowing me with

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disinformation and then

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one day neck cobits literally rang me I

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couldn't believe it this guy from the

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former head of Navy Science and

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Technology development like the chief

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boffin for the US Navy for decades rang

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me out of the blue and it was in the

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middle of the Sydney bushfires and um

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you know at the time it looked like the

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whole city might get wiped out we had

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fires on every front and um I think

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because he was seeing this Vision on his

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TV Set at home and the poor fellow was

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very very very seriously ill he had

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cancer very Advanced cancer

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he um he rang me and he goes Ross you

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need to get you need to get out of your

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government and get the the the top

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Soviet water bomber and he was what he

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wanted me to get the Russians to send

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over their big water bomber and um you

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know he was just this Tech geek who

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wanted to share information and so for

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days I just talked to him about what

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he'd worked on in the Navy and it was

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just such a privilege to speak to

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somebody who right through the Cold War

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had worked on top

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vehicles and Technologies in the um in

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the U.S military and it was a real

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insight because it was such a generous

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sharing warm guy and I made it clear in

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my letter that I was really interested

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in talking about the phenomenon you know

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UFOs uaps but

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after about the third or fourth call he

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finally then said to me

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so Ross why why didn't you ask me the

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question and I went what question would

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that be now and he went you know

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something like you know

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and so I did I I asked him about you

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know was he ever read into

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a crash retrieval program you know was

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he ever security briefed to be briefed

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on

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claims the United States has recovered

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alien craft and I fully expected him to

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go like come on Rust it's just crazy

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you know why why are you asking

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me that question there was this kind of

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pregnant pause after I asked the first

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question

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and I was about to change the subject

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and move on out of embarrassment and

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then he went

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yes

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but I wasn't read out of it and for that

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reason I can't say much more about it

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and I pushed him a little bit and I said

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so you were read into a program

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involving the retrieval of an alien

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spacecraft

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yes

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and I went

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multiple craft or a single craft

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multiple

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and that blew me away I mean I had a

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senior American former official of the

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U.S Navy research and development

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prepared to go on the record I checked

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it with him and he was prepared to go on

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the record

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as he said to me sadly what are they

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going to do to me he knew he was going

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to die and it was really sad because

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I've had some fairly snide people say to

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me in the messaging I've received in the

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last few weeks or how convenient that

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this guy died you know you can just

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basically put any words you want to his

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mouth

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and um

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there's no way of responding to people

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like that I I mean the bottom line is

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journals use background sources all the

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time

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and in my book it takes a special form

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of courage for any public official or

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former public official to a greater

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speak to a journalist it's always the

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hardest thing to do and the thing that I

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have sleepless nights about is

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compromising sources

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so take it as read that I took steps to

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ensure that Nets position was very very

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clear and on the record

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and that its provenance cannot be

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challenged

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I'm not going to describe the details of

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how I ensured that but I'm I'm very

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confident that he was telling me what he

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believed to be the truth

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and the the nice thing about it is he

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put me on to a series of colleagues of

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his

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who introduced me to the fact that they

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were aware of